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Copyright Violations

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Reinventing the wiki

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Vandalism Recovery

I thought it might be helpful to have a section in regard to vandalism recovery.

As I said, I'll take care of restoring the old articles, but if at anytime someone else wants to get in on the fun, I figured they should know where I am working so they don't waste their time.

It is my pleasure to say our vandalism recovery efforts have had tremendous results. We're almost there.

All pages linking from the front page were fixed as of January 19th, 2011.

Every page under the games heading and all sub-pages were fixed as of January 19th, 2011.

Every page in the characters section and all sub-pages were fixed to normal as of January 19th, 2011.

Every page under the Seihou section on the front page has been restored.

Every page under the Games section and all sub-pages have been fixed as of January 20th, 2011.

Every page under the Printed Works section and all sub-pages have been fixed as of January 21st, 2011.

Every page under the Music section and all sub-pages have been fixed as of January 22nd, 2011.

Every page under the Encyclopedia section and all sub-pages have been fixed as of January 23, 2011.

Every page under the Miscellaneous section and all sub-pages have been fixed as of January 24, 2011

There is probably going to be a few pages here and there with vandalism on them, and some pages have some secret vandalism hidden in the text, but I did many of them (Like I can't find the phrase you are using over and over with Firefox). Just leave "that phrase" in your find bar and it will pick up stray links. I have a more through plan to get rid of all hidden links, but that can wait until we've cleaned up all the blatant vandalism.

Once I'm through with this and we get the front page unlocked, we can get on with making real changes. VS3025 06:50, January 24, 2011 (UTC)

I am now going from section to section off the main page and fixing every destroyed page I find.

When I get to some pages such as the printed works section, I am still going to restore them to their pre-vandalized state. Once I do that, any discussion regarding their copyright will be able to take place.VS3025 07:45, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

Oh wow, are you actually going through all the pages manually? As I recall, it was mostly 10 or so users who did most of the link spamming (a lot of which was reverted by the global mods). It might be easier to look through user contributions, and then use the search to clean up any stragglers, but that's a matter of preference I guess. Pufferfish101 08:36, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

The biggest problem with that is that over 1000 (I stopped counting there) edits were made anonymously, so I still have a large list to go through. Also, the global mods did help but for some reason on articles edited by multiple vandals, they just reverted articles from the most recently vandalized page to a different almost the same page. Because of that, most of the mod reversion hasn't been helpful (but it has been in some places). The second disadvantage is that the pages were not edited in order, so I might fix 1 pages with 5 destroyed links 300 edits apart if I go off the user contributions list.

The way I am doing it, we get whole sections restored in order that way instead of having 3000 tiny holes we only have 100 big holes. Id rather have 800 serviceable pages and 200 destroyed ones than 1000 half-destroyed pages, at least, that is my logic behind it.

If you didn't get a chance to see, we were attacked by another registered vandal just today, he got almost 100 more pages before he stopped (I still don't know if he was banned, but I sent in a request). We're going to have to figure out the administration problem soon. The more advanced rollback tools would be helpful. We can't be legitimately move forward until this problem is taken care of. VS3025 09:57, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

You can tell when people are banned in the recent activities logs. We, at the very least, should have rollback to more easily push back the vandals, but.. to actually stop them, we'd need an administrator to ban them in their tracks, because the constant coming back and just re-vandalizing what we took out is so tedious. I said my vote D: so... do we contact her and tell her what we want or do we have to make it look more formal, even though only three people are really talking? --Imanie 22:47, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

There's no formal process. If you want to talk to Sarah, you can leave a message on her talk page on this Wiki. Also, the global mods are always available to ban vandals/revert edits, and they actually have bots instead of doing the entire process by hand. Pufferfish101 23:23, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

I dealt with the "Personalappeal.png" edits. While not as annoying as the other forms of vandalism, it did look ugly.  Devilmanozzy (Talk Page)  21:27, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

Now is the time to talk about re-enabling anonymous editing. I'm pretty loathe to do this right away, but at the same time it is a pretty important part of Wikia. I'm thinking in 2-3 days. Let's hear thoughts on this.

Do it. Nothing much to say on this, really. Pufferfish101 00:04, January 25, 2011 (UTC)

This will be done once I finish editing the last few sets of pages. Would rather know that everything is new Vandalism once we unlock this. VS3025 00:36, January 25, 2011 (UTC)

Also, it isn't an instant process, as Wikia staff are the only ones who can change those permissions. But the request will be submitted. VS3025 01:06, January 25, 2011 (UTC)

If there is no longer any need, this page will probably be moved to the archives soon. VS3025 02:24, January 25, 2011 (UTC)

Less Obvious Vandalism

Most (but not all) of the obvious vandalism has been cleaned up, so I'm turning the majority of my attention towards less obvious vandalism. What I have found so far is mostly either misinformation, hidden links, or basically just replacing a few words here and there so reading it doesn't make much sense, but just glancing at the page won't catch it.

Basically, I'll be going back and looking at the edits of people who vandalized posts but also did things that weren't wholesale clearing of the page, as well as taking a sample of all of our friends who continue to post here but haven't done any obvious vandalism. I've caught and banned a few, including some familiar faces I hadn't found direct vandalism from before (because their edits were buried by the bots)... they will be missed.

This is probably the hardest part of finding vandalism, because it requires through checking and the knowledge of what is actually messed up. A good example of this is http://touhou.wikia.com/index.php?title=Perfect_Cherry_Blossom:_Reimu%27s_Scenario&oldid=140494. If this looks fine to you, compare my revision to this older edit and you will see what I mean.

I'll be spearheading this, but if anyone else is interested in this, you'll have to put your reading glasses on. If something seems wrong but you aren't sure, leave a message on my talk page about it and I'll check it out, or do a little internet research and learn something new. For people who are editing who are newer to Touhou, this is a pretty good way to learn new things.

If you want to be lazy about it, you can always compare pages now to pages from the "pre-vandalism" era and look at the inconsistencies. Then, you can go about finding out if the inconsistencies are wrong in the same way as stated above. Then you have to find out which edit made those changes so we can make sure that person gets a long vacation.

I'm currently on last edited date of January 8th, 2011, working from today, but I have a feeling I wasn't as through as I should have been so I'll probably re-check out some of those links, editing and playing Black Ops at the same time doesn't make for the most exhaustive search. I have a feeling the type of people who do this vandalism are the same types who only use the FAMAS and AK74, probably care package as a killstreak, too. VS3025 09:09, January 27, 2011 (UTC)

Sure thing. I'd like to note though that some of the accounts restoring content were also the accounts spamming goatse all over the talk pages. Also, the care package is nice if you don't ever expect to get a bigger killstreak. Pufferfish101 10:06, January 27, 2011 (UTC)

That is true. I believe most of those spammers, (restoring but putting up the personal appeal, ect.) have all been banned. It is possible I missed one but I won't ravenously hunt them down, it seemed like a important issue before but as I think about it, no one is really going to be able to spam again without us knowing so banning people who aren't coming back is kinda irrelevant... but it feels like crime deserves punishment, even if it is really a meaningless gesture.

Also, I guess I'll forgive care package users, hacker pro would be a lot less exciting without them. I wont forgive the AK74 users so easily, though. VS3025 23:26, January 27, 2011 (UTC)

Visiting

I'm here only to remove some not so pleasant edits, Please focus on getting new admins here. Thank You.  Devilmanozzy (Talk Page)  18:59, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

Two wiki's

Hi all I'm new here and noticed on google that there were two touhou wiki's. Which one is more popular? --Keikoku 22:47, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

Well, many users of this wiki left to make their own. So this site has less contributors and editors. It also suffered a great deal of vandalism, as you can read about in this talk page, http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Do_You_Like_Rabbit%3F is an example of what happened (along with hundreds of other pages). We've been working for many days to try and restore all the deleted things, the main page had to be locked to prevent further vandalism, and anonymous editing had to be turned off to stop people from deleting articles. Basically, we can't work on as much new content because we are dealing with the vandalism right now.

Basically, this site is in a much less stable situation, but we're working on restoring it. Feel free to visit one site or the other, or both. We're going to be making a lot of exciting changes to this site over the next few months, but it is going to be a bit of a process to recover from all the damage that has been done (and continues to be done).

If we can't meet what you need in terms of information or community at the moment, check us out further on down the road. VS3025 23:09, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

The other one because it is backed by a larger part of the Touhou community (as I'm told at this one). This one is going through major changes in administration, layout, and a ton of other things. We are hoping to become more well known or at least looked at in the future, so if you want, please do stick around :) --Imanie 23:11, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

Wiki-vandals are quite annoying. Especially if they're the same ones that moved over; don't understand what they hope to accomplish. This wiki seems to get more hits on search engines than the other one, but probably cause the other one's fairly new. Though I'm curious why you guys chose to stay when the majority left? --XTsukihime 23:40, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

Creating wikis/doing things like cleaning up, templates, etc. Helps me learn more about a topic I'm interested in. This wiki continues to get hits because all the vandals continue to come back and give it more hits. All the people who are complaining about this one being at the top of google sites (complaining on this site) are contributing to it gaving more hits so it continues to stay popular in a search engine's eyes. If they're logged in users, you can check and see out of all those people that left who continues to come back and visit.

I don't know what the community of Touhou fans are like, or what they were like, but I hope the vandals aren't an indication of what to expect. I haven't really chcked in at the new one too much, I might later because, I am new and interested in the topic :3 but, who knows! I probably won't contribute after what I've gone through here, so that also helped on my decision. --Imanie 00:46, January 23, 2011 (UTC)

Honestly, I think that wikia allows for a more interesting site than the general wiki format. I could be wrong, but from what I understand the other site can't or won't have things like blogs or forums, and here you are a part of a much larger community of gaming and other wikis. It is my personal belief that community building through avenues such as those can make the Touhou community stronger and larger. Just building a Touhou encyclopedia is all well and good, but there is potential for a lot more than that.VS3025 00:55, January 23, 2011 (UTC)

You were allowed to have your own personal pages and discuss touhou related stuff since this wiki was hosted at pooshlmer.com. See Category:Contemplations and Category:Replays for example. The new wiki is no different, you can still open discussions about the characters and stuff like that, but the thing is, people prefer to post such stuff on a well established forum or imageboard instead, as proven by time. Master Bigode 01:13, January 23, 2011 (UTC)

I have not used wikia before and started with the other one, but I am under the impression that installing new extensions on wikia is a lengthy process and doesn't just happen at the snap of your fingers?

Forums definitely would be nice, seeing how currently many users follow the wiki style of archiving pages which is incredibly useless unless it is re-organized so information can be easily found, but then again, it doesn't seem like the forums here is very active either --XTsukihime 02:13, January 23, 2011 (UTC)

For the full history of the move, check out the archives (2). I will report the following though. The decision was made in This new look it's...it's.... The move was backed by consensus. All users with a recent active history of the previous wiki (Wikia) before the move are supporting the new wiki (touhouwiki). Kiefmaster99 05:02, January 25, 2011 (UTC)

New Admins

I suppose we should give a welcome to our new admins and new bureaucrat, Imanie and VS3025. Here's to making good decisions and taking this wiki in a new direction from just being a content fork. Pufferfish101 20:07, January 24, 2011 (UTC)

Reinvention: Stage 1

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Reinvention: Stage 2

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eyesore

Someone remove that Remilia background picture. it's an eyesore.

Bleh99 08:11, January 29, 2011 (UTC)meh

There needs to be a real, valid reason other than "you don't like it" or anything equivalent to that. This is also moving away from being the main talk page, so if this was just here as spam, it may be deleted soon. --Imanie 08:46, January 29, 2011 (UTC)

Have any ideas for a better background? VS3025 19:41, January 29, 2011 (UTC)