Talk: Touhou Wiki/Archive 4

Talk:Touhou Wiki have an archive page which is available here. Topics include: cross-promotion between wikis focused on Japanese makers?, Main page layout update, Duel of the Earthworms: 〜 vs ～, Categorize this wiki, World record link on front page, whether or not period mark is needed at the end of each title?, Suggestion that we add more categories, Adding the "ability" topic in characters., Character name pronunciation, Spoilers in the Wiki August 2009, Spoilers in the Wiki September 2009

Touhou Wiki Policy on Adult Content

Dandan550 recently posted a "fun fact" with a link to Danbooru, a site with an abundance of adult content, including readily visible ads with adult themes from Jlist, etc.

http://touhou.wikia.com/index.php?title=Kogasa_Tatara&diff=74134&oldid=73106

What is the policy of Touhou Wiki towards adult content or not safe for work content? TheTrueBlue 04:21, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Pretty sure it has too be work safe most of the time. Border-skirting is OK too, I guess, as a few of the album covers on the site are somewhat lewd. Reverie, 東方サマーバケーション, and 背徳姉妹～紅に染まる片翼～ being good examples of that. There are also a few of doujin circles with translated manga, such as 3-Chome, Sekitou, Luxia Continent, and MARCH, which have warnings for their content. I'm going to guess that as long as it doesn't completely ignore the existence of a border, then it's OK. Just a guess though. jpp8 04:56, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Even though the content of the picture is worksafe on danbooru, everything on it is not...it's because of the Ads, most of the time, are hentai games and has nudity or sex on those ads. Unless we do safebooru...I'll be replacing the danbooru links with safebooru on the canon article. If the pictures are less on safebooru, then I'll mark the links with danbooru which might be nsfw. MaronaPossessed 22:03, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

concerning whether GoM is spellt in katakana or alphabet

There's an edit of the top page to fix the title of "The Grimoire of Marisa" into "グリモワール・オブ・マリサ". Yes, this is a puzzling thing. Maybe everybody can't say at first which is original.
My conclusion is it's better in latin alphabet: The one reason is because there are "グリモワール・オブ・マリサ" just on the spine and "Grimoire of Marisa" or "The Grimore of Marisa" on the other parts (frontcover, backcover, pg.1, and pg.168). And the other reason is even if we coundn't help but see that the spine of book appears to be the essence, or what we see at the most time of all parts of book, because Amazon.jp, ja.wikipedia.org, and publisher's web site use it. --Masuo64 13:03, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

So Masuo64, you are proposing that the English title: "The Grimoire of Marisa" should currently be used, but that the katakana "グリモワール・オブ・マリサ" should not at all be used? Is that right? I just to make sure I understand what you wrote.

Well, it works either way I suppose, just seemed strange that with all the lovely Japanese titles on the left side of the main page in "Games" and "Print Works", that this one English-only title stuck out like an ugly sore thumb. But if neither Zun nor his partners in this project have officially granted a Japanese title to the work, then I suppose to add one otherwise would be reprehensible. TheTrueBlue 13:09, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Your understanding is right, TheTrueBlue. There are more proofs for using alphabet than katakana. And, indeed, as you write, it looks bad for the inconsistent line of titles due to the only one title name. But it looks a bit bad if we write it in katakana, since the other titles are 東方XXX like 東方香霖堂 and GoM doesn't follow the way of naming.

We can also say that ZUN doesn't care about non-Japanese environment and culture or that it might be the implicit explanation: pick up ZUN's works which don't follow the form "東方○○○　〜 XXX" (○ is kanji, almost all are 3 letters except PMiSS. XXX is an English phrase). Probably they are seen as side stories or no main stories: Akyu's untouched Score series (the story is quite short and brief in it than in Hifuu Club's CD), Tsuki no Inaba to Chijou no Inaba (many settings contradict those of the shooting game), the Grimoire of Marisa (it hasn't story, setting text and conversation), and Hisoutensoku (ZUN said on twitter that this is a side story, ). Um, anyway, my opinion is we follow the way of "Grimoire of Marisa", not "グリ... マリサ" because ZUN spells it in such a way. --Masuo64 13:52, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Well my position will always be that whatever ZUN names it is what it will be named. If ZUN wants to call it "Marisa's Ultra Sexy Danmaku-Fest" then that will be its official English title regardless of what the Japanese title is. That doesn't mean editors here can't include as a side-note or alternate or literal rendition, the meaning of the Japanese, but that except for that tiny note, the designated English title should reign in all other respects. Similarly, if there is no English title, then there simply is none, and only a small side-comment detailing what the Japanese title means in English should exist. If that is the current situation then the aforementioned procedure is what I will advocate. TheTrueBlue 14:39, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

On De-Orphanizing Articles

Is there a way to find out or keep track of which articles are not linked to by many other articles (orphans) here on Touhou Wiki, which would benefit from additional internal linking? TheTrueBlue 19:34, September 4, 2009 (UTC)

This one just has the ones that have no pages linking to them at all. jpp8 19:43, September 4, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the link, it looks less extensive than I feared it might be. TheTrueBlue 03:22, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

Heads up to other Translators

Is there a way to indicate that a translation is in progress on an article? I remember reading something of the sort, and because some of the translators here might work at the same time of the day, it'd be a disasterous waste of time if two translators browsing through the articles needing translation spent half an hour or more working on the same article. So if one could, at the beginning of work, save the page once with "Translation Currently in Progress, Date, Username" somewhere near the top, other translators would know to leave well enough alone. I'll be making use of this tag and I hope others do so when applicable as well. Happy Translating. TheTrueBlue 03:22, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

Music Gallery

I'm thinking on a special link for the official music by ZUN, but I'm not quite sure how this will be arrange.

Well in this way... we can list the either list of fan-made arrangements by other music artist. But there could be problems right?

Example: Lunatic Eyes ～ Invisible Full Moon 狂気の瞳　～ Invisible Full Moon

Zun's note:

Our note:

List of Arrangements (Official above by year and fan-made also by year)

However I realize this is going on but we need to put them in one place. Allowing us to place all fan-made arrangements. However I or anyone alone can't do this... ALONE. Since we could know that the Touhou fan-made music is flooded. So does how had time to do this might help in this Impossible Task. -Dandan550 11:09, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

Well, that's the nice thing about a wiki, everyone can contribute. I think it would be best to sort the music by game, and then give each song it's own page, using something like the format you provided. I think it's a really good and useful idea, so I'd be willing to help categorize when I can. NForza 11:42, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

EoSD and IN already have these so it's just a matter of making them for the other games/official CDs. BTW, I really like this idea and I've been thinking of doing it for some time now, so... yeah. Let's do this then. Also, "List by Song" has some arrangements that aren't featured on albums. jpp8 16:57, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

Kay, so I was thinking the format for the arrangements section should go something like:

"Circle Name (link to article if applicable; you'll make one" - "[Catalog No.](if applicable)" [["Album Name"]]

dbu Music - [DBCD-0001] 紅魔狂詩曲 Scarlet Rapsodia

Yes or no? jpp8 17:25, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

...And then I realized I forgot about the arrangements not featured on albums. So then, when that is the case, how about we just put the circle name and a link to an mp3 of the song? jpp8 18:01, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

In my opinion, most of the songs don't really have enough to say about them to warrant their own articles. If the majority of the content would be listing arrangements, then why not just expand the current List by Song pages?

Regarding the song-specific articles for TH06 and TH08, I think it results in too little content being spread out far too much. As a comparison, we don't have separate pages for translating each individual stage of a game, but rather one article for all stages of a scenario. It keeps the number of articles reasonable, and keeps their lengths from being too short. --TheSinnerChrono 19:11, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

So, something like "Music from Imperishable Night: Stage 4" would have the articles for descriptions and arranges of 永夜の報い　～ Imperishable Night, 少女綺想曲　～ Dream Battle, and 恋色マスタースパーク then? jpp8 19:52, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

Still it will be a hard and time-tasking. Since there are so many songs. Also we should separate the ones who had lyrics as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dandan550 (talk • contribs) 02:33, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

(Sorry for not replying sooner.)

Jigglyppuff8:

List by Song: Imperishable Night is the grouping that seems best to me. (That grouping is also used in the "<Game>: Music" articles.)

Since the List by Song articles are currently used specifically for download-only music, I'd like to suggest that if they're expanded beyond that, the songs could have "released via album" and "released via download" sections. That way, the download-only music can still have attention drawn to it.

Dandan550:

The List by Song pages have "(vocal)" beside the relevant links (example). Is that about what you had in mind, or would you want the vocal arrangements to be further distinguished? --TheSinnerChrono 15:13, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

So, should we do this for the original tracks on ZUN's Music CDs, the CDs included with the manga, Seihou, and その他の作品～ ZUN's Strange Works? jpp8 01:50, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

Would anyone have objections to linking to abbreviated forms of some of the tracks names? I.E. "Candid Friend" vs. "Akutagawa Ryuunosuke's "Kappa" ~ Candid Friend ".

Also, is there some kind of way to collapse the arranges section? Because I can see that getting huge. I tried to do something like it, but I fail at wiki code apparently. !8RstuPId2Y 00:48, February 27, 2010 (UTC)

First thing first, I'm lazy to login... Second, about the collapseable wiki code, I also wanted to do but nowhere to be reference. I suspected that the collapsable maybe have to modify MediaWiki:common.css as in the official Wikipedia - KyoriAsh 05:33, March 8, 2010 (UTC)

rumor about TH13

This is obviously a 'fake'. Please don't add it to the main page... If you think it's real, try doing some research (in Japanese). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ngrmile (talk • contribs) 08:03, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

Yes it's a fake, who go upload THAT THING to Youtube?

Reference Link (Chinese)

KyoriAsh 08:32, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

About the lang|ja| tag

I see these are on all games pages. But not on subpages (gameplay etc...). Is it worth the effort adding this tag for all the pages everywhere there is japanese text? --Dodoecchi 10:14, October 29, 2009 (UTC) (forgot sig)
And all other languages http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Touhou ^^ Lord Ice Dragon 22:34, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

Depends. If the japanese language interferes with the english language(making the english text look weird, etc), then add it. If not, then don't worry. MaronaPossessed 01:36, October 22, 2010 (UTC)

Navboxes

Am I the only one who thinks that these are largely useless? We already have the subordinate articles organized in the main articles, and the main articles are linked back from the subordinate articles, so at most, navboxes would save the whole one click it takes to go back a page, and larger navboxes that are collapsed by default wouldn't even accomplish that. For example, Dolls in Pseudo Paradise already links back to Music CDs, which links to all of the other pages covered by Template:Navbox ZUN Music (and some that it doesn't cover). What's the point? --TheSinnerChrono 22:46, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

British English vs. American English

Yeah, pretty much. So that everything is standardized and pages' texts aren't inconsistent, which one should be used? !8RstuPId2Y 04:27, January 29, 2010 (UTC)

I suggest US English? Deathsoul4 07:58, October 13, 2010 (UTC)

Interwiki linking

I'm working on getting all the interwiki pages linked together across all the existing Touhou wikis (at least those I've seen so far). Any help would be appreciated. Arekku 02:20, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Could you change the French wiki link please? Current link redirects to an abandonned wiki, true French wiki is here. Thanks --Fenfen 01:12, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

Sure, I'll have to change the interwiki link for it. Arekku 03:17, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

Also Simplified Chinese version: here. Thanks - KyoriAsh 09:54, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

Added Reply: But I'm not responsible for Simplified Chinese version in Wikia. - KyoriAsh 10:01, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

I've put up my link change request for both wikis, just waiting for it to go though. Arekku 05:45, February 25, 2010 (UTC)

Just a heads up, someone on the French Touhou wiki said that it's still active (see mainpage's edit history). I'll refrain from changing the French wiki links for the time being. Arekku 02:59, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, so you have to contact Wikia to change it. Sorry about that, I thought it would be as simple as editing a link. In fact, the wiki I linked to is not related to Wikia. French Touhou wikia is active but nobody's on it. Well, thank you anyway. - Fenfen 14:06, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

TH12.5 ダブルスポイラー　～東方文花帖 (Double Spoiler)

I dunno, man. Looks pretty fishy to me. But a second Shoot the Bullet WOULD be awesome. --Invaderhado 20:26, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

WAIT A MINUTE. It was on ZUN's blog? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Invaderhado (talk • contribs) 20:29, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

Yupp, right here: http://kourindou.exblog.jp/ Albeit, I do not want... Arget 21:27, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

um, can't we just format it like the other games (東方文花帖　～ Double Spoiler)? it's not like soku here. 174.111.86.246 23:06, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

[sic]? Then again, there's the whole full stop argument... !8RstuPId2Y 23:10, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

It's formatted that way on ZUN's blog, I say keep it as is. Arekku 05:13, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

I understand that but it's amazingly misleading as is: "Double Spoiler" is put in parentheses beside... like UNL. "UNL" is some unofficial translation of the main title, "Double Spoiler" is the actual official subtitle. if you really want to stick to the format, replace the kana with "Double Spoiler" 174.111.86.246 00:48, March 6, 2010 (UTC)

"UNL" isn't on the front page though; it's "Touhou Hisoutensoku", the romanization of the first part of a fully Japanese title. So, I'm just going to keep hiding behind my [sic] argument like the coward I am. !8RstuPId2Y 01:03, March 6, 2010 (UTC)

oh god haha I never even noticed that. it USED to be up there. now I don't mind so much 174.111.86.246 19:42, March 13, 2010 (UTC)

Got a question about the release date, is March 14th exclusive to Reitaisai 7 (akin to UFO during Comiket 77) or will it be sold in regular stores/online shops on March 14th as well? --Petit89 06:16, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

Regulary, new works of ZUN are sold at shops, approximately one month after it has been released at the doujin event (Reitaisai or Comiket). Maybe this work is, too. --Masuo64 12:29, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

Lang tag battle

Grgspunk, I don't know what you're proposing, but some wordings like Japanese is better to stay native as different user will render with different fonts. Some of the Japanese already rendered in native language in certain article, why not this?- KyoriAsh 04:02, March 6, 2010 (UTC)

Wikia-wide Touhou file sharing

All of the Touhou wikis on Wikia can now load files from the English wiki. Just use the usual [[File:]] and [[Image:]] markup on the other wikis, and they'll load images and whatnot from here automatically. Just ensure that if you're working on the other Wikis that you upload new files here, that way all of the other wikis can use the file (like all of the Wikimedia sites). Thanks! Arekku 21:05, March 9, 2010 (UTC)

New lyrics

Hi, not sure if this is the right place to request, but the lyrics to the OP of Kinema Kan 2nd aren't there. The song is Fragments, a Necrofantasy arrange. Lyrics here: http://cn.last.fm/user/kadonoki/journal/2009/08/24/2ym8fh_narco＋capo_-_フラグメンツ

Question about the policy on endings

Mainly if there isn't some way to reach a compromise on at least the scripts being posted. I ask since it's very well known how many fans don't bother playing the games and rely on doujins, some of which are prone to taking very many liberties with canon if not outright disregarding it. I was thinking perhaps just the text in a section that can't be easily stumbled upon.

Before one states "It's ZUN's wish", I do believe that was more in regards to posting videos of it (something I can agree with), not so much keeping it locked up. The endings Wikia filled this task before it ended up going down (under slightly suspicious circumstances) I only ask in the pure spirit of combating ignorance and bettering the fandom as a whole.--99.66.112.202 08:25, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

"Do not reproduce or reprint ending material, including the text." This has already been gone over several times. Check out Spoilers in the Wiki for more details. !8RstuPId2Y 16:08, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

Are you going to tell me the reason why you folks follow that taboo isn't one of these: Guilt over how most of the western fanbase PIRATES the hell out of the series, Keeping the endings as some sort of elite thing for those with the skills and high end enough computers to play all the games, Support of said toxic fanon. The taboo has already been broken in a few places, such as youtube and lets play vids. Especially the endings Wikia before you guys whined and complained until it got taken down. --99.66.112.202 19:42, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

What the fanbase does, pirating or whatnot, is irrelevant to how this Wiki works. As a Wiki, normally we would post spoilers, except that ZUN's policy supposedly says otherwise.

Now, ZUN's terms of use, to my knowledge, is broken into two sections - use in derivative work/doujin, and use of snapshots on a webpage. However, I find his own terms of use ambiguous. The first section covers terms for derivative work, which a Wiki is not. [EDIT: "For the usual activities in doujin (uploading material on a homepage" might account for wikis.] The second section covers screenshots, but makes no mention of script. Unless I'm missing something, there seems to be no explicit rule against posting ending scripts for the sake of a Wiki. I can only propose two possible remedies - either email ZUN for clarification ("just ask me and I'll respond"), or follow the example of the Japanese wiki. - Kiefmaster99 00:47, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

東方Project 第12.8弾「妖精大戦争　～東方三月精」Announced

Can we add a page for colonel_aki's Life of Maid 4komas?

If anyone doesn't know about it, colonel_aki's Life of Maid is a 4koma series that centers the daily lives of the SDM residence. The 4koma series is very enjoyable and its highly amusing. colonel_aki combines a cute art style with very witty humor and it does not require any understanding of the Japanese language since there's no actual spoken dialogue but the characters acts out the scenes very well and the readers can get the idea of the jokes in the comics. The series also uses some of the fannon stuff in the Touhou series, like Yuyuko being a glutton and Patchouli being an otaku.

The 4komas can be seen here: http://danbooru.donmai.us/pool/show/678
AmethystViper 01:23, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Comics - Kiefmaster99 02:27, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Music section on the front page

It's severely outdated. I vote we change it. Darkslime 16:39, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

What changes do you have in mind? - Kiefmaster99 18:35, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

I guess he means adding more official soundtracks or the music template is out of date. Currently, I'm working on adding the japanese into the story page of Celestial Wizardry~Magical Astronomy. Once I get that done, I'll see if I can understand that new template and replace that template. Last time I tried adding the new template, it looked screwy to me.MaronaPossessed 20:10, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

I meant more that it's out of date. It shouldn't be too hard to give the "Other Music" page the attention it deserves - i.e. removing the "Other" from the name and giving a general rundown of what Touhou music exists - and then instead of linking to specific albums on the front page, we can link there, or something. Darkslime 19:29, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, so I made the Music CDs page better. Any ideas on what to do on the front page? Darkslime 19:52, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Links back to main page

I'm confused on the standard of linking back to the main page. Most of the important pages seem to have a link back at the top and bottom. Should all pages have this? Also, is it necessary when one can click their back button, or simply click on the Alice icon to get back to the main page? Darkslime 19:52, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

A Large Task for Others

Sure I'm somewhat "new" here, but anyways, here's a task that I believe we could do. Adding these templates (such as Navbox templates) to each and every page that should have them. For instance, Soku's pages don't have the Soku Navbox template on all pages yet, compared to say SWR and earlier games. I'll probably work on this myself, but any help on it would be greatly appreciated~ Xenomic 05:50, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

I've been making the game navboxes, but when I got to Hisoutensoku it got to be a little ridiculous to put the navbox on every single page, so yeah, help would be appreciated >_< Darkslime 14:15, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

Spell Card compilation

Would it be okay if I compiled all known Spell Cards (arranged by character) into one big list? I've been thinking about doing this for a while now, and I have seen this been done in Japanese before (see here or here. This may or may not involve putting a link to spell cards either the Main page or each character page, and linking to the game-specific spell card pages. I'm thinking that compiling all known spell cards by each character across each game would provide useful. - Kiefmaster99 02:37, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

I see no possible objections against this (aside from the massive amount of effort it would take). If you can do it, by all means, go ahead. 68.84.74.52 02:55, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, free time is not something I have much of right now actually. I might get to it eventually. Might. - Kiefmaster99 03:48, September 27, 2010 (UTC)

Wish List

So, this might be either a very stupid suggestion or something that many of you may have been thinking. Why don't we create a page for a wishlist? For the next Touhou Project Game that'll be released, we can write in stuff that we want it to be included in the next game. Deathsoul4 08:01, October 13, 2010 (UTC)

Kind of stupid in my opinion. But hey...my first wish would be to see Mima again :P MaronaPossessed 15:20, October 13, 2010 (UTC)

And give the impression that this wiki have any say in what ZUN's next project is? No. Put it on a message board or something instead.--Umhyuk 17:56, October 13, 2010 (UTC)

Ah, well my thought was just to make some page where we can see what everyone wants in the next TH, but w/e it seems to be out of the question. Suggestion dismissed. Deathsoul4 22:58, October 13, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, and btw I'd also like to see Mima in another game too XD Deathsoul4 22:59, October 13, 2010 (UTC)

Oh hey the icon changed

Instead of the "W" icon we see, we see the P block icon :D MaronaPossessed 18:45, October 18, 2010 (UTC)

Hmm? I don't see the P block icon D: guess it's just me. Deathsoul4 23:32, October 18, 2010 (UTC)

This new look it's...it's...

Terrible! GAAAAH!!! It confuses me because I always check the activity feed on the left>_< and I can't check the history of the article!MaronaPossessed 16:37, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

Oh thank goodness...at least wikia isn't an ass like YouTube, forcing changes on the user. Anyways for those who hate the new look, go to your User then preference settings, then set the skin to monaco. It's the original look. MaronaPossessed 16:44, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

Monobook is more better, I guess....

If Vector is available, that's the best - KyoriAsh 17:38, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

Apparently the old skin will only be available until November 3rd, then everyone will be forced to switch to the new one. Y'all better be ready for this. Master Bigode 20:08, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

Too bad =/ and the new look doesn't seem to allow me to access some information. For instance I can't look at "Newly Changed" from the drop-down menu of "Top Content". Is anyone having the same problems with me? Deathsoul4 23:36, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

Same here. Try clicking on "Wiki Activity" instead, it works pretty much the same as the old new changes page. Master Bigode 00:08, October 22, 2010 (UTC)

I can't even look at the full log of history...because the drop down menu appears when i hover over that link...and yeah same problems as you X_X this stinks...MaronaPossessed 00:02, October 22, 2010 (UTC)

One thing I like about the new form is its color, ehehehehe (maybe I'm too used to using the old form). Anyways, thx for the feedback. Deathsoul4 07:55, October 22, 2010 (UTC)

Someone should just host an actual Wiki for this instead of using Wikia. We're almost at 6,000 articles - I think this is a popular enough site for it. Darkslime 16:08, October 22, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with the notion of making Touhou an actual Wiki. We're getting larger, and it's not so nice to depend on the Wikia team. If I can help out in anyway in the moving process, I will. What are the admins' opinions about this?

As for the new look, it's stylish, but the fixed width is just not easy on the eyes nor convenient, especially for wide-screen users.