Talk:Touhou Wiki/Archive 2

Talk:Touhou Wiki have an archive page which is available here. Topics include: cross-promotion between wikis focused on Japanese makers?, Main page layout update, Duel of the Earthworms: 〜 vs ～, Categorize this wiki, World record link on front page, whether or not period mark is needed at the end of each title?, Suggestion that we add more categories, Adding the "ability" topic in characters., Character name pronunciation, Spoilers in the Wiki August 2009, Spoilers in the Wiki September 2009

Yet again ignore

Yep. Same thing. Ignore this post. Same thing as last time, about vandals and what else.

Touhou Wiki Policy on Adult Content

Dandan550 recently posted a "fun fact" with a link to Danbooru, a site with an abundance of adult content, including readily visible ads with adult themes from Jlist, etc.

http://touhou.wikia.com/index.php?title=Kogasa_Tatara&diff=74134&oldid=73106

What is the policy of Touhou Wiki towards adult content or not safe for work content? TheTrueBlue 04:21, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Pretty sure it has too be work safe most of the time. Border-skirting is OK too, I guess, as a few of the album covers on the site are somewhat lewd. Reverie, 東方サマーバケーション, and 背徳姉妹 ～紅に染まる片翼～ being good examples of that. There are also a few of doujin circles with translated manga, such as 3-Chome, Sekitou, Luxia Continent, and MARCH, which have warnings for their content. I'm going to guess that as long as it doesn't completely ignore the existence of a border, then it's OK. Just a guess though. jpp8 04:56, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Even though the content of the picture is worksafe on danbooru, everything on it is not...it's because of the Ads, most of the time, are hentai games and has nudity or sex on those ads. Unless we do safebooru...I'll be replacing the danbooru links with safebooru on the canon article. If the pictures are less on safebooru, then I'll mark the links with danbooru which might be nsfw. MaronaPossessed 22:03, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

Concerning whether GoM is spelt in katakana or alphabet

There's an edit of the top page to fix the title of "The Grimoire of Marisa" into "グリモワール・オブ・マリサ". Yes, this is a puzzling thing. Maybe everybody can't say at first which is original.
My conclusion is it's better in latin alphabet: The one reason is because there are "グリモワール・オブ・マリサ" just on the spine and "Grimoire of Marisa" or "The Grimore of Marisa" on the other parts (frontcover, backcover, pg.1, and pg.168). And the other reason is even if we coundn't help but see that the spine of book appears to be the essence, or what we see at the most time of all parts of book, because Amazon.jp, ja.wikipedia.org, and publisher's web site use it. --Masuo64 13:03, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

So Masuo64, you are proposing that the English title: "The Grimoire of Marisa" should currently be used, but that the katakana "グリモワール・オブ・マリサ" should not at all be used? Is that right? I just to make sure I understand what you wrote.

Well, it works either way I suppose, just seemed strange that with all the lovely Japanese titles on the left side of the main page in "Games" and "Print Works", that this one English-only title stuck out like an ugly sore thumb. But if neither Zun nor his partners in this project have officially granted a Japanese title to the work, then I suppose to add one otherwise would be reprehensible. TheTrueBlue 13:09, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Your understanding is right, TheTrueBlue. There are more proofs for using alphabet than katakana. And, indeed, as you write, it looks bad for the inconsistent line of titles due to the only one title name. But it looks a bit bad if we write it in katakana, since the other titles are 東方XXX like 東方香霖堂 and GoM doesn't follow the way of naming.

We can also say that ZUN doesn't care about non-Japanese environment and culture or that it might be the implicit explanation: pick up ZUN's works which don't follow the form "東方○○○　〜 XXX" (○ is kanji, almost all are 3 letters except PMiSS. XXX is an English phrase). Probably they are seen as side stories or no main stories: Akyu's untouched Score series (the story is quite short and brief in it than in Hifuu Club's CD), Tsuki no Inaba to Chijou no Inaba (many settings contradict those of the shooting game), the Grimoire of Marisa (it hasn't story, setting text and conversation), and Hisoutensoku (ZUN said on twitter that this is a side story, ). Um, anyway, my opinion is we follow the way of "Grimoire of Marisa", not "グリ... マリサ" because ZUN spells it in such a way. --Masuo64 13:52, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Well my position will always be that whatever ZUN names it is what it will be named. If ZUN wants to call it "Marisa's Ultra Sexy Danmaku-Fest" then that will be its official English title regardless of what the Japanese title is. That doesn't mean editors here can't include as a side-note or alternate or literal rendition, the meaning of the Japanese, but that except for that tiny note, the designated English title should reign in all other respects. Similarly, if there is no English title, then there simply is none, and only a small side-comment detailing what the Japanese title means in English should exist. If that is the current situation then the aforementioned procedure is what I will advocate. TheTrueBlue 14:39, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

On De-Orphanizing Articles

Is there a way to find out or keep track of which articles are not linked to by many other articles (orphans) here on Touhou Wiki, which would benefit from additional internal linking? TheTrueBlue 19:34, September 4, 2009 (UTC)

This one just has the ones that have no pages linking to them at all. jpp8 19:43, September 4, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the link, it looks less extensive than I feared it might be. TheTrueBlue 03:22, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

Heads up to other Translators

Is there a way to indicate that a translation is in progress on an article? I remember reading something of the sort, and because some of the translators here might work at the same time of the day, it'd be a disasterous waste of time if two translators browsing through the articles needing translation spent half an hour or more working on the same article. So if one could, at the beginning of work, save the page once with "Translation Currently in Progress, Date, Username" somewhere near the top, other translators would know to leave well enough alone. I'll be making use of this tag and I hope others do so when applicable as well. Happy Translating. TheTrueBlue 03:22, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

Music Gallery

I'm thinking on a special link for the official music by ZUN, but I'm not quite sure how this will be arrange.

Well in this way... we can list the either list of fan-made arrangements by other music artist. But there could be problems right?

Example: Lunatic Eyes ～ Invisible Full Moon 狂気の瞳　～ Invisible Full Moon

Zun's note:

Our note:

List of Arrangements (Official above by year and fan-made also by year)

However I realize this is going on but we need to put them in one place. Allowing us to place all fan-made arrangements. However I or anyone alone can't do this... ALONE. Since we could know that the Touhou fan-made music is flooded. So does how had time to do this might help in this Impossible Task. -Dandan550 11:09, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

Well, that's the nice thing about a wiki, everyone can contribute. I think it would be best to sort the music by game, and then give each song it's own page, using something like the format you provided. I think it's a really good and useful idea, so I'd be willing to help categorize when I can. NForza 11:42, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

EoSD and IN already have these so it's just a matter of making them for the other games/official CDs. BTW, I really like this idea and I've been thinking of doing it for some time now, so... yeah. Let's do this then. Also, "List by Song" has some arrangements that aren't featured on albums. jpp8 16:57, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

Kay, so I was thinking the format for the arrangements section should go something like:

"Circle Name (link to article if applicable; you'll make one" - "[Catalog No.](if applicable)" [["Album Name"]]

• dbu Music - [DBCD-0001] 紅魔狂詩曲 Scarlet Rapsodia

Yes or no? jpp8 17:25, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

...And then I realized I forgot about the arrangements not featured on albums. So then, when that is the case, how about we just put the circle name and a link to an mp3 of the song? jpp8 18:01, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

In my opinion, most of the songs don't really have enough to say about them to warrant their own articles. If the majority of the content would be listing arrangements, then why not just expand the current List by Song pages?

Regarding the song-specific articles for TH06 and TH08, I think it results in too little content being spread out far too much. As a comparison, we don't have separate pages for translating each individual stage of a game, but rather one article for all stages of a scenario. It keeps the number of articles reasonable, and keeps their lengths from being too short. --TheSinnerChrono 19:11, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

So, something like "Music from Imperishable Night: Stage 4" would have the articles for descriptions and arranges of 永夜の報い　～ Imperishable Night, 少女綺想曲　～ Dream Battle, and 恋色マスタースパーク then? jpp8 19:52, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

Still it will be a hard and time-tasking. Since there are so many songs. Also we should separate the ones who had lyrics as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dandan550 (talk • contribs) 02:33, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

(Sorry for not replying sooner.)

Jigglyppuff8:

List by Song: Imperishable Night is the grouping that seems best to me. (That grouping is also used in the "<Game>: Music" articles.)

Since the List by Song articles are currently used specifically for download-only music, I'd like to suggest that if they're expanded beyond that, the songs could have "released via album" and "released via download" sections. That way, the download-only music can still have attention drawn to it.

Dandan550:

The List by Song pages have "(vocal)" beside the relevant links (example). Is that about what you had in mind, or would you want the vocal arrangements to be further distinguished? --TheSinnerChrono 15:13, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

So, should we do this for the original tracks on ZUN's Music CDs, the CDs included with the manga, Seihou, and その他の作品 ～ ZUN's Strange Works? jpp8 01:50, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

Would anyone have objections to linking to abbreviated forms of some of the tracks names? I.E. "Candid Friend" vs. "Akutagawa Ryuunosuke's "Kappa" ~ Candid Friend ".

Also, is there some kind of way to collapse the arranges section? Because I can see that getting huge. I tried to do something like it, but I fail at wiki code apparently. !8RstuPId2Y 00:48, February 27, 2010 (UTC)

First thing first, I'm lazy to login... Second, about the collapseable wiki code, I also wanted to do but nowhere to be reference. I suspected that the collapsable maybe have to modify MediaWiki:common.css as in the official Wikipedia - KyoriAsh 05:33, March 8, 2010 (UTC)

Rumor about TH13

This is obviously a 'fake'. Please don't add it to the main page... If you think it's real, try doing some research (in Japanese). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ngrmile (talk • contribs) 08:03, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

Yes it's a fake, who go upload THAT THING to Youtube?

Reference Link (Chinese)

KyoriAsh 08:32, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

About the lang|ja| tag

I see these are on all games pages. But not on subpages (gameplay etc...). Is it worth the effort adding this tag for all the pages everywhere there is japanese text? --Dodoecchi 10:14, October 29, 2009 (UTC) (forgot sig)
And all other languages http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Touhou ^^ Lord Ice Dragon 22:34, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

Depends. If the japanese language interferes with the english language(making the english text look weird, etc), then add it. If not, then don't worry. MaronaPossessed 01:36, October 22, 2010 (UTC)

Navboxes

Am I the only one who thinks that these are largely useless? We already have the subordinate articles organized in the main articles, and the main articles are linked back from the subordinate articles, so at most, navboxes would save the whole one click it takes to go back a page, and larger navboxes that are collapsed by default wouldn't even accomplish that. For example, Dolls in Pseudo Paradise already links back to Music CDs, which links to all of the other pages covered by Template:Navbox ZUN Music (and some that it doesn't cover). What's the point? --TheSinnerChrono 22:46, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

British English vs. American English

Yeah, pretty much. So that everything is standardized and pages' texts aren't inconsistent, which one should be used? !8RstuPId2Y 04:27, January 29, 2010 (UTC)

I suggest US English? Deathsoul4 07:58, October 13, 2010 (UTC)

Interwiki linking

I'm working on getting all the interwiki pages linked together across all the existing Touhou wikis (at least those I've seen so far). Any help would be appreciated. Arekku 02:20, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Could you change the French wiki link please? Current link redirects to an abandonned wiki, true French wiki is here. Thanks --Fenfen 01:12, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

Sure, I'll have to change the interwiki link for it. Arekku 03:17, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

Also Simplified Chinese version: here. Thanks - KyoriAsh 09:54, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

Added Reply: But I'm not responsible for Simplified Chinese version in Wikia. - KyoriAsh 10:01, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

I've put up my link change request for both wikis, just waiting for it to go though. Arekku 05:45, February 25, 2010 (UTC)

Just a heads up, someone on the French Touhou wiki said that it's still active (see mainpage's edit history). I'll refrain from changing the French wiki links for the time being. Arekku 02:59, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, so you have to contact Wikia to change it. Sorry about that, I thought it would be as simple as editing a link. In fact, the wiki I linked to is not related to Wikia. French Touhou wikia is active but nobody's on it. Well, thank you anyway. - Fenfen 14:06, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

TH12.5 ダブルスポイラー　～ 東方文花帖 (Double Spoiler)

I dunno, man. Looks pretty fishy to me. But a second Shoot the Bullet WOULD be awesome. --Invaderhado 20:26, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

WAIT A MINUTE. It was on ZUN's blog? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Invaderhado (talk • contribs) 20:29, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

Yupp, right here: http://kourindou.exblog.jp/ Albeit, I do not want... Arget 21:27, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

um, can't we just format it like the other games (東方文花帖　～ Double Spoiler)? it's not like soku here. 174.111.86.246 23:06, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

[sic]? Then again, there's the whole full stop argument... !8RstuPId2Y 23:10, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

It's formatted that way on ZUN's blog, I say keep it as is. Arekku 05:13, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

I understand that but it's amazingly misleading as is: "Double Spoiler" is put in parentheses beside... like UNL. "UNL" is some unofficial translation of the main title, "Double Spoiler" is the actual official subtitle. if you really want to stick to the format, replace the kana with "Double Spoiler" 174.111.86.246 00:48, March 6, 2010 (UTC)

"UNL" isn't on the front page though; it's "Touhou Hisoutensoku", the romanization of the first part of a fully Japanese title. So, I'm just going to keep hiding behind my [sic] argument like the coward I am. !8RstuPId2Y 01:03, March 6, 2010 (UTC)

oh god haha I never even noticed that. it USED to be up there. now I don't mind so much 174.111.86.246 19:42, March 13, 2010 (UTC)

Got a question about the release date, is March 14th exclusive to Reitaisai 7 (akin to UFO during Comiket 77) or will it be sold in regular stores/online shops on March 14th as well? --Petit89 06:16, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

Regulary, new works of ZUN are sold at shops, approximately one month after it has been released at the doujin event (Reitaisai or Comiket). Maybe this work is, too. --Masuo64 12:29, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

Lang tag battle

Grgspunk, I don't know what you're proposing, but some wordings like Japanese is better to stay native as different user will render with different fonts. Some of the Japanese already rendered in native language in certain article, why not this?- KyoriAsh 04:02, March 6, 2010 (UTC)

Wikia-wide Touhou file sharing

All of the Touhou wikis on Wikia can now load files from the English wiki. Just use the usual [[File:]] and [[Image:]] markup on the other wikis, and they'll load images and whatnot from here automatically. Just ensure that if you're working on the other Wikis that you upload new files here, that way all of the other wikis can use the file (like all of the Wikimedia sites). Thanks! Arekku 21:05, March 9, 2010 (UTC)

New lyrics

Hi, not sure if this is the right place to request, but the lyrics to the OP of Kinema Kan 2nd aren't there. The song is Fragments, a Necrofantasy arrange. Lyrics here: http://cn.last.fm/user/kadonoki/journal/2009/08/24/2ym8fh_narco＋capo_-_フラグメンツ

Question about the policy on endings

Mainly if there isn't some way to reach a compromise on at least the scripts being posted. I ask since it's very well known how many fans don't bother playing the games and rely on doujins, some of which are prone to taking very many liberties with canon if not outright disregarding it. I was thinking perhaps just the text in a section that can't be easily stumbled upon.

Before one states "It's ZUN's wish", I do believe that was more in regards to posting videos of it (something I can agree with), not so much keeping it locked up. The endings Wikia filled this task before it ended up going down (under slightly suspicious circumstances) I only ask in the pure spirit of combating ignorance and bettering the fandom as a whole.--99.66.112.202 08:25, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

"Do not reproduce or reprint ending material, including the text." This has already been gone over several times. Check out Spoilers in the Wiki for more details. !8RstuPId2Y 16:08, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

Are you going to tell me the reason why you folks follow that taboo isn't one of these: Guilt over how most of the western fanbase PIRATES the hell out of the series, Keeping the endings as some sort of elite thing for those with the skills and high end enough computers to play all the games, Support of said toxic fanon. The taboo has already been broken in a few places, such as youtube and lets play vids. Especially the endings Wikia before you guys whined and complained until it got taken down. --99.66.112.202 19:42, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

What the fanbase does, pirating or whatnot, is irrelevant to how this Wiki works. As a Wiki, normally we would post spoilers, except that ZUN's policy supposedly says otherwise.

Now, ZUN's terms of use, to my knowledge, is broken into two sections - use in derivative work/doujin, and use of snapshots on a webpage. However, I find his own terms of use ambiguous. The first section covers terms for derivative work, which a Wiki is not. [EDIT: "For the usual activities in doujin (uploading material on a homepage" might account for wikis.] The second section covers screenshots, but makes no mention of script. Unless I'm missing something, there seems to be no explicit rule against posting ending scripts for the sake of a Wiki. I can only propose two possible remedies - either email ZUN for clarification ("just ask me and I'll respond"), or follow the example of the Japanese wiki. - Kiefmaster99 00:47, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

東方Project 第12.8弾 「妖精大戦争　～ 東方三月精」Announced

More in: [1] [2]

Just made the foreign wiki article stubs. If anyone speaks ja/es/ru/pt/fr/de, please complete these. Momiji 01:10, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Can we add a page for colonel_aki's Life of Maid 4komas?

If anyone doesn't know about it, colonel_aki's Life of Maid is a 4koma series that centers the daily lives of the SDM residence. The 4koma series is very enjoyable and its highly amusing. colonel_aki combines a cute art style with very witty humor and it does not require any understanding of the Japanese language since there's no actual spoken dialogue but the characters acts out the scenes very well and the readers can get the idea of the jokes in the comics. The series also uses some of the fannon stuff in the Touhou series, like Yuyuko being a glutton and Patchouli being an otaku.

The 4komas can be seen here: http://danbooru.donmai.us/pool/show/678
AmethystViper 01:23, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Comics - Kiefmaster99 02:27, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Music section on the front page

It's severely outdated. I vote we change it. Darkslime 16:39, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

What changes do you have in mind? - Kiefmaster99 18:35, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

I guess he means adding more official soundtracks or the music template is out of date. Currently, I'm working on adding the japanese into the story page of Celestial Wizardry~Magical Astronomy. Once I get that done, I'll see if I can understand that new template and replace that template. Last time I tried adding the new template, it looked screwy to me.MaronaPossessed 20:10, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

I meant more that it's out of date. It shouldn't be too hard to give the "Other Music" page the attention it deserves - i.e. removing the "Other" from the name and giving a general rundown of what Touhou music exists - and then instead of linking to specific albums on the front page, we can link there, or something. Darkslime 19:29, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, so I made the Music CDs page better. Any ideas on what to do on the front page? Darkslime 19:52, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Links back to main page

I'm confused on the standard of linking back to the main page. Most of the important pages seem to have a link back at the top and bottom. Should all pages have this? Also, is it necessary when one can click their back button, or simply click on the Alice icon to get back to the main page? Darkslime 19:52, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

A Large Task for Others

Sure I'm somewhat "new" here, but anyways, here's a task that I believe we could do. Adding these templates (such as Navbox templates) to each and every page that should have them. For instance, Soku's pages don't have the Soku Navbox template on all pages yet, compared to say SWR and earlier games. I'll probably work on this myself, but any help on it would be greatly appreciated~ Xenomic 05:50, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

I've been making the game navboxes, but when I got to Hisoutensoku it got to be a little ridiculous to put the navbox on every single page, so yeah, help would be appreciated >_< Darkslime 14:15, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

Spell Card compilation

Would it be okay if I compiled all known Spell Cards (arranged by character) into one big list? I've been thinking about doing this for a while now, and I have seen this been done in Japanese before (see here or here. This may or may not involve putting a link to spell cards either the Main page or each character page, and linking to the game-specific spell card pages. I'm thinking that compiling all known spell cards by each character across each game would provide useful. - Kiefmaster99 02:37, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

I see no possible objections against this (aside from the massive amount of effort it would take). If you can do it, by all means, go ahead. 68.84.74.52 02:55, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, free time is not something I have much of right now actually. I might get to it eventually. Might. - Kiefmaster99 03:48, September 27, 2010 (UTC)

Wish List

So, this might be either a very stupid suggestion or something that many of you may have been thinking. Why don't we create a page for a wishlist? For the next Touhou Project Game that'll be released, we can write in stuff that we want it to be included in the next game. Deathsoul4 08:01, October 13, 2010 (UTC)

Kind of stupid in my opinion. But hey...my first wish would be to see Mima again :P MaronaPossessed 15:20, October 13, 2010 (UTC)

And give the impression that this wiki have any say in what ZUN's next project is? No. Put it on a message board or something instead.--Umhyuk 17:56, October 13, 2010 (UTC)

Ah, well my thought was just to make some page where we can see what everyone wants in the next TH, but w/e it seems to be out of the question. Suggestion dismissed. Deathsoul4 22:58, October 13, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, and btw I'd also like to see Mima in another game too XD Deathsoul4 22:59, October 13, 2010 (UTC)

Oh hey the icon changed

Instead of the "W" icon we see, we see the P block icon :D MaronaPossessed 18:45, October 18, 2010 (UTC)

Hmm? I don't see the P block icon D: guess it's just me. Deathsoul4 23:32, October 18, 2010 (UTC)

This new look it's...it's...

Terrible! GAAAAH!!! It confuses me because I always check the activity feed on the left>_< and I can't check the history of the article!MaronaPossessed 16:37, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

Oh thank goodness...at least wikia isn't an ass like YouTube, forcing changes on the user. Anyways for those who hate the new look, go to your User then preference settings, then set the skin to monaco. It's the original look. MaronaPossessed 16:44, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

Monobook is more better, I guess....

If Vector is available, that's the best - KyoriAsh 17:38, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

Apparently the old skin will only be available until November 3rd, then everyone will be forced to switch to the new one. Y'all better be ready for this. Master Bigode 20:08, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

There is too much negative feedback, not only here. I hope they still may think better of it. WGH, 09:26, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

Too bad =/ and the new look doesn't seem to allow me to access some information. For instance I can't look at "Newly Changed" from the drop-down menu of "Top Content". Is anyone having the same problems with me? Deathsoul4 23:36, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

Same here. Try clicking on "Wiki Activity" instead, it works pretty much the same as the old new changes page. Master Bigode 00:08, October 22, 2010 (UTC)

I can't even look at the full log of history...because the drop down menu appears when i hover over that link...and yeah same problems as you X_X this stinks...MaronaPossessed 00:02, October 22, 2010 (UTC)

One thing I like about the new form is its color, ehehehehe (maybe I'm too used to using the old form). Anyways, thx for the feedback. Deathsoul4 07:55, October 22, 2010 (UTC)

Someone should just host an actual Wiki for this instead of using Wikia. We're almost at 6,000 articles - I think this is a popular enough site for it. Darkslime 16:08, October 22, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with the notion of making Touhou an actual Wiki. We're getting larger, and it's not so nice to depend on the Wikia team. If I can help out in anyway in the moving process, I will. What are the admins' opinions about this?

As for the new look, it's stylish, but the fixed width is just not easy on the eyes nor convenient, especially for wide-screen users.

Repeat after me: There is only one and will always be only one admin on Touhou Wiki. Having a separate wiki sounds silly anyway. What are the benefits? 68.84.74.52 20:35, October 22, 2010 (UTC)

Cool down, dude. I came to this community to know more about Touhou, didn't pay too much attention to people who actually maintain the site. As for the reason, I don't agree with relying on Wikia host since their recent move are much too dramatic and business (*look at the visible features associated with new skin*). Wiki should be simple and content-focusing. Plus Touhou deserves its own wiki. But it's just an opinion, I understand things are not so simple or easy to make on a whim. Rantuyetmai 20:50, October 22, 2010 (UTC)

It's not like it's impossible to move THWiki to being an independent wiki, you know. Why not check out what the guys at NIWA are doing? 99.19.92.66 22:43, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

WTF is NIWA? --WGH, 17:52, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

NIWA is an alliance of independent wikis which work to maintain their own independence from wiki farms, as well as to get other wikis independent from them. Already the pre-eminent Pikmin wikis have migrated to independence from Wikia, and the StarFox wiki is planning a merger with the NIWA-affiliated Lylat Wiki. 99.19.92.66 08:53, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

So you're saying instead of making a new wiki for Touhou we can split THwiki from wikia and make it into an independent wiki? Sounds like a good idea. Better than having two separate Wikis serving the same purpose (like Diablo II Wiki lol)

Anyways, the consensus seems to be inclining towards favoring an independent TH wiki. Is there anyone who still supports THwiki remaining under Wikia? Deathsoul4 22:54, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

I don't support it myself o-oMaronaPossessed 23:49, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

I personally think it would be a change for the better, but I have no problem if we stay at wikia. Master Bigode 00:52, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

I'd be in favor of helping you guys to move to be an independent wiki. At the risk of sounding like I'm just a bland advertiser, I'd like to also point you guys to NIWA, or at least to some of the heads over at Bulbagarden, who were among the NIWA founders. --Darkeiya | talk to me! 00:47, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

I am somewhat indifferent. My main problem with the new look is that the width is compressed - infoboxes begin to interfere with reading the text, and the overall width compression makes it more difficult to read. I would also have to reformat some of the pages that I look after.

If Wikia decides to remove the old skin for good/fail to address my problems with the new skin, then I am more inclined to support a split. On the other end however, this would have to be a complete move - the old site would have to be removed and become a redirect. Otherwise we'd end up with a divergence of contributors, and a predicament similar to having two SWR wikis.

If I remember correctly, the move to Wikia was initially made to get the wiki off of the Poosh server, possibly due to bandwidth issues (I don't remember). I am unsure if the admin would be willing to (re)host. In any case, talk to him about it before taking any action. - Kiefmaster99 14:24, November 1, 2010 (UTC)

They changed the new look. All there is left is monobook, so if you don't like the new look, monobook is left. MaronaPossessed 20:08, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

Hmm is there a way to add 'custom' skins to the preferences in this area? Or is it just Wikia only? MaronaPossessed 20:16, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

No, admins can change the default background, colors, etc but not the layout. Master Bigode 21:11, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

This wiki could use a serious restructuring anyway, so a move would only be helpful in that regard. Maybe someone can contact the admin about possibly hosting this wiki on a different server(not good with these things). Darkslime 21:03, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah I change my vote...a move would be lovely.MaronaPossessed 00:15, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

A friend of mine and I are in the process of setting up a Mediawiki site for a potential Touhou Wiki move. We already have the domain name registered and Mediawiki partially configured. I won't post the URL quite yet, since it's still undergoing lots of work, but I will once we feel satisfied with the progress. Anyway, I was wondering how the admins here would feel about utilizing it for a wiki move? Momiji 07:31, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

You mean the admin. You should leave a message at Pooshlmer's talk page, otherwise he might not see your proposal. Master Bigode 11:14, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

What kind of hosting do you have? Pooshlmer 19:16, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

Right now it's an Ubuntu VPS w\ 384MB of RAM and hardware/bandwidth that's expandable depending on the Wiki's useage, and a dedicated server if it really becomes a problem. Also, we're using Mediawiki 1.17alpha. Momiji 20:54, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

That is probably not enough. Are you prepared to pay/raise the $50-$100 per month it will cost to run this? Pooshlmer 22:32, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

Yes. Momiji 22:51, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

Do you know of a good way to dump the images? Pooshlmer 00:27, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

Wikix. Master Bigode 01:02, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

So if we're going to go through with a move, will the topics (especially the ones with external links) be copied and pasted without problems? Will the site itself at least resemble the older, uncluttered layout? Will you guys announce that you're moving and provide a new link on the front page? Grgspunk 07:45, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

We will move by uploading the database dump to the new server, so all of our articles will be available in the new server along with all of their content. As for the look, all of MediaWiki's default skins will be available. Master Bigode 12:40, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

Will the new THWiki's default skin follow the Wikpedia skin? (Vector Skin) - KyoriAsh 13:22, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, we're definitely using Vector right now. As for dumping images or SQL tables, I'm not really sure of an easy way to do it. That Wikix utility looks like it needs some sort've source of image data, but if it can be used with Wikia that'd be great. If we can get a SQL dump it would help tremendously (and I'd avoid having to manually copy each article and image over one-by-one). Momiji 17:35, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

One more thing, we've been working to get Mediawiki configured for multilanguage support, so I may be able to transfer the other Touhou wikis on Wikia as well (like here, here, or here). Momiji 17:41, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

Good luck to you Momiji and others working on this. You guys will be a great bit help^^ MaronaPossessed 18:07, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

Awesome, so the plan's in motion now. May the whole thing go successfully. Good luck! Deathsoul4 22:16, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

Wikia should allow you to dump the database. See Special:Statistics. I haven't bothered to extract the zip, but it should be an XML database dump. If by source of image data you mean the filenames, try Special:ListFiles if the XML isn't enough. Should be possible to have a crawler get all that data. -- Qazmlpok 18:52, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

Special:Export. 99.19.92.66 06:31, November 6, 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, I'm now looking at this arguments on first time. I don't object to tbe suggstion positively. But the issue in my heart the most is... Pooshlmer, I think you would be the best contributor in the sense that it seems you've been involved in this wiki the longest of all editors of this site. Do you think it's OK to move Touhou Wiki in another address? I feel like we should confirm the administrator's OK before search for new address, and you've never say yes. What do you think of it? --masuo64 ^Talk 11:00, November 6, 2010 (UTC)

So far, he has given implicit approval (asking for what type of hosting and whether they're prepared to pay $100/mo).

Another question - (when) should we put on the front page that we are currently in the process of moving? Perhaps we should send a message to all contributors just so that they are aware of this. As well, after what date can we expect to not see edits made to this wiki be carried over to the next? - Kiefmaster99 04:10, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

I offer my services to the new wiki at the risk of being banned in this one!

♥★♦ 03:44, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

New wiki concerns

Is it we have to create account again? Or we have to wait after the account transfer complete? - KyoriAsh 11:18, November 13, 2010 (UTC)

if you check the Recent Changes, your account is still present. the accounts cannot be transferred, but all pages and edit histories are intact. creating your account under the same username is all that is needed. - —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.63.112.138 (talk • contribs) 15:00, November 13, 2010

Have you guys made the new version of the wiki already? Can you give a link so I can get things started myself? Grgspunk 08:48, November 14, 2010 (UTC)

[3]. You'll need to re-register, but your history will be kept intact. To the best of my knowledge, this is still the main wiki, until the move is finalized. -- Qazmlpok 15:18, November 14, 2010 (UTC)

You mean, we had better hold off an edit? And I found on MediaWiki:Welcome-user, en.touhouwiki.net has the same content. Which is suggested, www.touhouwiki.net or en.touhouwiki.net? --masuo64 ^Talk 15:37, November 14, 2010 (UTC)

An edit where? On the new site? Probably, as there is a notice on the new site:

At this time, please keep in mind that the move to this site is not finalized, and this wiki may be subject to being rebuilt pending decisions from the administrator of the Touhou Wikia

As for www versus en, they appear to be the exact same site. I believe that there are plans to move over the other language wikias to the new domain, hence the en. -- Qazmlpok 15:51, November 14, 2010 (UTC)

Ow, sorry. About the former, I mean whether or not we should stop editing on this wiki temporarily. About the latter, I understand. --masuo64 ^Talk 17:29, November 14, 2010 (UTC)

When can we expect this to be finalized? Grgspunk 17:08, November 14, 2010 (UTC)

correct, en and www are the same site. also, we are currently waiting for poolshmer to respond in regards to finalizing the decision.

Just a heads-up. You might want to keep this site going as an archive even after finalizing the new site. I noticed some of the images hosted on this site haven't successfully transfered over to the new site. Look at these two versions of the same page:

http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Perfect_Memento:_Road_of_Liminality

http://www.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Perfect_Memento:_Road_of_Liminality

The one on top belongs to the old wiki, while the one below it is in the new wiki. The image that's supposed to be at the top of the page isn't showing on the new wiki. I've also seen several other pages where this is the case. Grgspunk 00:18, November 15, 2010 (UTC)

I've been noticing this too. The SC images from Fairy Wars didn't carry over, as well as some of the icon pics I use for Touhou Epic. One thing I've noticed is that they all have continuous capitalization at the beginning of their file names (FW..., ICON..., PMiSS...). - Kiefmaster99 00:31, November 15, 2010 (UTC)

Don't worry, everything should be there after the move is complete. For now, just edit the wikia wiki. Master Bigode 00:40, November 15, 2010 (UTC)

http://touhou.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:WantedFiles&limit=500&offset=0

http://www.touhouwiki.net/index.php?title=Special:WantedFiles&limit=500&offset=0

please compare the two wanted lists. the files are missing on both lists. for the record, the PMiSS page is working for now.

Asking again. I edited several points in FW translation few days ago, but it's not reflected to New Touhou Wiki. Is it valid to keep editing on the current Touhou Wiki? Or should we stop it? If it happens because it's too short to transfer the data to New Touhou Wiki, that's OK, it's my fault. --masuo64 ^Talk 07:45, November 20, 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps a more obvious message on the main page (rather than a small line most people would miss) should be there indicating the move. Otherwise oblivious editors will have to redo some of the work.

Another thing. I find a portion of the heading on the new site a bit too spiteful and unnecessary. Spreading the word to indicate the move would be fine by itself. As far as I'm concerned, I view the move as "Since you won't provide adequate service, we leave". - Kiefmaster99 08:07, November 20, 2010 (UTC)

Deleting comments on blog posts

Is there a way to delete comments on blog posts? Some Chinese spammers seem to have attempted posting some ad on my blog. Deathsoul4 04:38, November 16, 2010 (UTC)

deathsoul, just a quick heads up... your edits on the new wiki are most likely going to be wiped soon since the site is being rebuilt... I'm very sorry for the inconvenience, and promise this will be the last attempt.

We Move...

Okay, it's time. We're still working on setting up a few more extensions into the new wiki, so things still might not work quite yet (video embedding, etc.) that depended on Wikia-proprietary extensions. But overall the site's working great. Methinks it's time to announce the news on the mainpage. Thanks a bunch for the support, and don't forget to register your existing username there so your edits can be properly credited. Momiji 20:01, November 20, 2010 (UTC)

So I guess we should find all the incremental changes made here since the database dump and copy them over to the new site? Pufferfish101 22:09, November 20, 2010 (UTC)

Should perhaps the message on the main page be a little more noticeable? Like in red, or slightly bigger font to stand out a bit more than just bold? I can see a lot of people not noticing that. In fact, I bet a lot of people skip the first page entirely. The new wiki has the "this is the new wiki" message on every page it seems... is that kinda thing possible here? It would save effort for a lot of the edits that have to be redone like I just had to. -StrikerX22 00:00, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

Hi, this wiki will be remaining open, so I am going to change the main page link to point here so users can see the discussion, rather than just be linked off the site. I think we should pick a time for this message to come down, since once those who decide to leave do, the remaining (and new) community will likely want to have a different message there and elect new admins. Thanks, --Sarah (Help Forum) (blog) 01:18, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Hold it. Who in the hell put you in charge of making the decisions of what happens here? I know you are in charge of managing wikia but it doesn't mean you are in charge of what we choose. I suggest you quit changing things up on the home page or I will use the information on what you did and say on this to show the corruption of you. I say walk away and forget about ever seeing this community. Then we can all be happy. MaronaPossessed 04:02, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Certainly. You seem to have removed some information though (for the people who do decide to move and can't find a link), so I have added it back in. Pufferfish101 01:38, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Hello, I understand that some users here (and as Pufferfish added to the main page) the admin has decided to leave Wikia, but that does not mean that all users are, so it is not fair to those who remain to automatically direct visitors away. I am going to leave a link to the discussion there, so individuals can then make the decision on their own. If the community here had decided to stay, then the admins would not have allowed for a competitive wiki to post a link on the main page. As I mentioned above, the community here may want to start a discussion as to who will take on the admin rights once the current admin leaves. If some of the admins decide they want to continue to be active here, that is great, but if they are going to detract or try and pull folks away, that may not be the best option for the community here. Best, --Sarah (Help Forum) (blog) 18:02, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

In any case, you.

Yes, you come into this wiki a little too much.

You are half-member. If you continue entering this wiki like this... I must also eventually judge you. If I was in charge of judging you, you would fall to banning as a member.

Then, are you acting how a nonmember should act? You are neither a member nor a nonmember. Since you are in an unstable position, you can stay in the staff and misdirect nonmembers.

You have become too acquainted with this wiki. If you raise a wild wolf, it'll become a pet. If nonmembers stay in this wiki, they'll become members. You need to be judged here a little. Look back on your edits below these seven-colored avatars!

Also, Happy Thanksgiving. I couldn't resist; thank you for your patience.

Shikieiki 05:49, November 25, 2010 (GEST)

If the admin does leave, and the users are here for something that was initialized by said admin, and especially if we don't hear decent arguments on the contrary from people that are actually involved in this wiki (as opposed to Wikia staff), then the users want what the admin intends, providing it contains everything contained here. Anything otherwise is illogical or ignorant, which is why there is a link directing away, and now a link directing to the this discussion. The issues I see now are that A. Pooshlmer seems to have not clearly indicated here that the move is what we call official; and B. the new site will not (at the moment) load. The only logical issues of concern to any theoretical visitor seem to thus be how official this is and whether it will work well, no? -StrikerX22 10:15, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Pooshlmer's changed the links on pooshlmer.com to point to the new wiki, I believe this shows the extent of his support for it. As for the site being down, I believe there was a temporary routing issue, the site's working fine now.

It sounds to me that you, Sarah, have a conflict of interest here. Personally it seems you're more interested in Wikia's own best interests, and not the interests of Touhou Wiki as a community. If you really were interested in the "best option for the community here", as you show you have a concern about, you wouldn't be forcing a fork of the wiki and potentially splitting the community. We as a community have entirely embraced the new wiki, not this one. So your interference with us actually causes more harm than any good it might create. Really, it sounds like you have whatever VCs funding your higher-up operations in mind, keeping Wikia a great place to make money on ads and whatnot, while taking advantage of us creating content on these wikis, while not paying us one red cent for it. And on top of that, when we do disagree, you shove us out and try installing a new "loyal" administration. Oh, and of course it's all "legal" thanks to the Creative Commons. Really, you're taking advantage of us to make money for yourselves. You're not thinking in anyone's best interest but your pocketbook's.

So I'll leave this final word. Leave this, and all the other wikis who are leaving, alone. We're leaving whether you like it or not. The more you fight it, the worse off you and whatever remains of Wikia will be. Enjoy your stock options.

Momiji 17:20, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Hello, As I have stated above, we are sorry to hear that some of you have decided to leave, but if that is the case, then you can not continue to make decisions on behalf of the community here. There continues to be activity here, and in order for those users to move forward it is not in their best interest to have a message sending users away. I would suggest getting in touch with the remaining admins if you decide to stay to talk with them about the main page. A timeline should be set for when the message is taken down entirely. Best, --Sarah (Help Forum) (blog) 18:44, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

If the people staying on this wiki wish to remove the notice, then let them. And leave it up until someone does so. You speak of people remaining here, but why is it that none of these people are voicing opinions about wanting to stay here? Maintaining content on a wiki requires a good deal of effort, and the people that used to do so here have left. Until someone is willing to take up that burden, the notice should remain up so that anyone who wishes to view the most up-tp-date content can do so on the new wiki, and anyone who wishes to take over as admin of this wiki knows where to request it. -- Qazmlpok 23:18, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

While we're at this topic, you're not a member of the wiki, as clearly shown by your contribution list. Anyways, I'll try to speak something civil here - we have previous history of Nethack wiki who had their notice promised for two weeks by Sannse, so it's only fair that we get two weeks at least. Afterwards, although I don't speak for the rest of the community, I'm personally fine with any non-wikia-staff who wants to remove that notice.I think that's a dedent proposal, so we'll hear from the rest of the people here. RegalStar 23:31, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

Preferably from someone with a decent contributions list too. - Kiefmaster99 01:04, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

Who's exactly in charge of the "old" wiki in the first place? Since there doesn't seem to be any opposition from within the community about this move, is it possible to create an indefinite edit block for all the pages here and just keep this place as an archive of sorts? I'm saying we should keep this place as an archive instead of shutting down completely because we still might have pages where image files haven't been successfully transferred onto the new wiki (see above), and it might take some time for members there to fix them. Grgspunk 05:15, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

Pooshlmer is the only admin of the wiki, and as of now he seems to be mostly watching the move to see if it will go OK. I don't think he'll do something as drastic as that, but you can try to convince him if you want. RegalStar 05:28, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

Even if Pooshlmer did that, I'm pretty sure the Wikia people would override it. And yeah, there seem to still be some files (replays, images, etc.) that haven't transferred over properly...Pufferfish101 06:13, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

this is incorrect. all images have been transferred as of two weeks ago; see my post here near the bottom. at the time when that post was made, Wikia's wanted files numbered at 289, while the new site numbered at 287 (yes, *fewer*). replays were not transferred because the script spiders images only. while modifying it for replays is most likely possible, there is also a movement to reupload replays in a standardized naming scheme at the moment, so that should take precedence. with multiple upload now functional, it would take as much time to export the original replays as it would to upload them all renamed while correcting the links.

Hello, I am a community manager on Wikia and so work to support all of Wikia. As I have stated above, you are more than welcome to continue to participate on Wikia, but you can not simply use the Wikia service as a way to redirect people to another wiki. Just as I am sure on the new wiki would not want you linking back here on the main page there.I have removed the link to the new wiki wiki and will leave the current message up for another week (since it has already been up for a couple of weeks). After that time I will remove it entirely. Please do not revert this, or I may have to remove your rights or block you if you continue to misuse the service in this way. Please remember to be considerate to those who will remain here. Thank you, --Sarah (Help Forum) (blog) 23:03, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

I think it's rather considerate to inform users on the options available to them and allow them to choose which best fits them, is it not? In any case, community consensus has been reached on this topic offsite, where the majority of the community resides. The purpose of the link is to give information to those who have not yet seen the discussion and thus will not know where the new wiki is located, as the move is still relatively new (although I assure you, content creation on the new Wiki is at an all-time high). I'm sure you're not against the freedom to share information? Pufferfish101 23:19, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

Also, rather rich of the Wikia staff to be telling others about being considerate when it was your development team who forced the hated new skin upon everybody, fixed width and all. Ignoring the quiet protests of the beta users and everybody else. Misusing services indeed. Pufferfish101 23:23, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

I think what you, Sarah, don't get - not that you had any way of knowing - is that there is no such thing as a "community here". The Touhou wiki, when it was on its old host, when it was here and what it is now, at its new host, has always only been a part of a much larger community, with a separate website, forum and chat. The wiki has always just been an information repository. The community resides elsewhere, and has taken an unanimous decision to move the wiki to the new site. Why can't you let us do this simple thing? Are you that concerned over losing a bit of ad revenue? While Wikia is a great site for wikis who can't survive on their own, the sheer hostility you show towards people who want to migrate is making you look bad, horror stories I've heard about wikia staff actually sabotaging new wikis intended to be migrations notwithstanding. You're acting like we signed some contract in which it was stated that we were never allowed to leave when we first created this wiki here. While the optimal solution would be to close this wiki down and redirect people to the new one with a friendly message, that's obviously not going to happen. Locking this wiki for editing while leaving it as it is as a backup, however, would be nearly as good, but something tells me that's not happening either. If you really want to do what's best for the community you so much are trying to save, you'd be supporting the move, instead of trying to force a split that helps noone. Not a single person in any part of the extended community has protested or even questioned the move when it was announced. We understand your point, we're asking you to understand ours. KennyMan666 23:56, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

>(since it has already been up for a couple of weeks)

Objection! That particular message and link was up since November 20th, 15:07. A precedent has been set by another Wikia staff member

>we have previous history of Nethack wiki who had their notice promised for two weeks by Sannse, so it's only fair that we get two weeks at least

Their site notice included the address of the new wiki; this element must remain intact. The end of the two-week period is December 4th, 15:06. This date has not been met yet. Therefore, by the precedent set by the NetHack wiki, you must permit the unaltered message to be left for the full two weeks. Not doing so is a violation of precedent, and by extension the principle of fairness. Also, to satisfy precedent, any lost time caused by your edits ought to be added to the end of that week.

Of course, you are entirely free to act otherwise. This site has more or less been repossessed after all.

I could also gamble on linking back here and vice-versa... - Kiefmaster99 03:45, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

As was discussed, the main page link has been removed since it is past Dec 5th. I am going to leave the current message up for another week, then remove that as well. Those who have left have had time to inform the current community. It is only fair then to not push any new users away. If the current admins plan to leave, it may now be a good time to discuss electing new admins. Best, --Sarah (Help Forum) (blog) 00:14, December 7, 2010 (UTC)

It's nice to see that you have kept your word. My job here is done. As for new admins, I'm not the guy to contact. Kiefmaster99 00:18, December 7, 2010 (UTC)

(Quote 23:03 Dec. 1 UTC, Sarah Manley @ Wikia:)

>Hello, I am a community manager on Wikia and so work to support all of Wikia.

You do not support this wikia. You sabotage it by not allowing it to take its natural course. The users that leave are going to have a detrimental impact on this relic, as I've already witnessed in a few "Wikia Contributor" edits; the serious people are disappearing. Supporting would be to allow this to remain as an archive, a source of information, and to support edits made in the new wiki. This is in the best interests of ALL users. If the new wiki mysteriously breaks, this should be a fall-back. The best possible product is made with having the users together.

>As I have stated above, you are more than welcome to continue to participate on Wikia,

Unless we attempt to put essential information about the wikia's situation on the front page.

>but you can not simply use the Wikia service as a way to redirect people to another wiki.

It wouldn't be. It should remain as an archive. A wiki this dense should have such a thing. But to not be able to talk about the Touhou wiki community / Touhou community on the front page is ridiculous. It's not to "just redirect." It's to inform about important information and encourage the further building of the wiki.

>Just as I am sure on the new wiki would not want you linking back here on the main page there.

If the new wiki members decided to come back to use the Wikia service for whatever advantage, they most certainly would redirect back here. The Touhou wiki is not a site, but a helpful database. The ability to change where it is accessed should be a matter of course. You should instead be sure that we do not want your revert/edit (/ "remove your rights" / "block you") oppression.

>I have removed the link to the new wiki wiki and will leave the current message up for another week (since it has already been up for a couple of weeks).

You've been sabotaging that important information since 3 days after it came out. It wasn't just the link you messed with either, edit warring with the various legitimate members. Funny, no one joined your side so far. Also, you are wrong: the full message (that made by actual members) existed from Nov 20th, 11 days and 3:03 hours prior to this quoted message, and with your harassment it has existed for 10 days, 23:32 hours (thanks to quick editing of several members). Even with 2 weeks, do you really believe that all of the helpful members received the message? Many of us are not connected to another community, and in fact skip the front page at times via a search engine. 2 weeks or even 3 is nothing, as some of us have lives and this is simply a fandom wiki. This is a ridiculous expectation. In reality, the message in some form should be kept indefinitely on the front page as long as it is true. It is the member's choice whether or not to click a link and participate. You should have no say on whether they can be informed to make that choice, nor whether they are informed already.

>After that time I will remove it entirely. Please do not revert this, or I may have to remove your rights or block you if you continue to misuse the service in this way.

Sort of like how some misuse their authority? There are links to other sites on various pages, but the front page is off limits? Being helpful and informing of a major disruption in the wikia on the front page is misuse? Perhaps Wikia should reconsider what it stands for, and perhaps you should reconsider your position if you are somehow forced into taking a Big Brother role.

>Please remember to be considerate to those who will remain here. Thank you,

We have. That's why we inform them. You are doing the opposite. Covering up important information here is mischievous at best. Changing the message to less obvious font effects eventually, after several months, would be appropriate in terms of consideration. If they decide to (or out of ignorance) stay behind, that is their decision to break from the whole that has moved, and they should accept the reality of the more official Touhou fan wiki, being considerate enough to allow all to be informed of it. -StrikerX22 04:46, December 16, 2010 (UTC)

It's worth mentioning here too. And I want especially you, Sarah, to listen - Wikia's founder, Jim Wales, once said about Wikia that "If the community gets mad at us, they can just leave and take the content with them. That alone keeps the relationship honest." As such, for reasons including but not limited to the forced skin change, we got mad, so we wanted to leave and take out content with us. But you're not letting us, so it appears to me that the relationship isn't as honest as they'd want us to believe.

As one of the people who will be staying behind here, the far superior wiki, I suggest that those like myself who will be staying change up the front page and general style of the wiki for fun and to mark the entering of a new era. Who's with me?

Sure, you say that, but for how long?

You don't understand that the serious editor's are leaving and while I don't doubt the power of new blood, it'll ::take a while. Also that wasn't at all intended to stir up a fight,eh?

This new Era that you speak of will be a scary place for the people at this wiki, and Sarah Knows this, ::that's why she wants us to crawl back to her by sabotaging our efforts...

Even so,I will help, but avoid making such comments please, as I represent both wikis (my home, away from home, away from home :3)

When cleaning up deleted articles, please remember to restore the deleted content. Just deleting links to the other wiki and leaving a blank page isn't helping anything.

I've restored a lot of the most popular pages and primary links so now it is just a matter of digging through the anon edits and fixing what is still messed up. (Over 1000 edits, such a through job!)

And here I was just trying to work on my Touhou Arkham Horror. VS3025 21:52, January 13, 2011 (UTC)

Heh ? What is this Touhou Arkham Horror you are talking about ? Master Bigode 21:57, January 13, 2011 (UTC)

http://archive.easymodo.net/cgi-board.pl/jp/thread/6556359 basically. VS3025 22:49, January 13, 2011 (UTC)

I'd argue that deleting links to the other wiki without restoring deleted content is, in fact, worse than just leaving the links there, since it leaves users with no way to get to the content at all (and because Wikia makes it a pain just to find the page history).

That said, you could always use the new wiki as your source of information without bothering with this husk of a site. Providing you knew how to get there, of course. Pufferfish101 02:19, January 14, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, and just to clarify, I don't have any issues with people restoring deleted content, because there are still a number of people who I reckon wouldn't know about the move. I just think it's largely a waste of time , time that could be put to better use. Your call though. Pufferfish101 02:32, January 14, 2011 (UTC)

Imanie, I'd like you to stop changing the links that are in the talk page. Removing a few links from here isn't going to help anything and that time would be better spent fixing actual pages. If you don't want to do that than there is no point exacerbating a grudge with the others for no reason. VS3025 05:23, January 16, 2011 (UTC)

There actually is no grudge. I don't know the people doing it nor did I ever actually know them at any one point in time. I just think it's vandalism, which it is, and a way for them to get past the ban that was set up for that site because it was constantly being added to the wiki.

This wiki is not the new one where many people have moved, yet all people keep doing is bringing it up and trying to get more people to move to it. One link is really enough to make that point. If you're going to keep it, keep it at the top of the page, or on talk pages, which make sense. Several hidden links do nothing to keep people here (which is the point).

I would fix all the actual pages, but I'm sort of busy and I don't know the full extent of everything that happened, however, I can make templates. :p

Removing the links isn't a no reason thing. There is a reason, and I did state why. One link is enough, not 47. This page and most/all of its contents now haven't been archived (which they probably should, since this is a new era for the wiki).

Once all the pages are back up, what then? Remove some pages due to copyright violation that one member, who has said he has moved, is going to do. What then? How many people are staying to continue to add and contribute? No one really knows.

Who will be the new admin, does anyone that's left know how to make background images, work template pages, work tables?

I think a lot of things should be worked over and changed, but if the older editors left... then they left, why should it matter if they get to leave 47+ hidden links that are trying to surpass an admin word block on a page? --Imanie 16:25, January 16, 2011 (UTC)

Well when you put it that way.... I agree 100%. VS3025 19:47, January 16, 2011 (UTC)

Nazeo Ultimatum

Hi.

If I am not banned by the time my message get's across, that would be great.

I am here to address the concerns between my fellow comrades.

This is to Sarah and the staff she represents.

First off, I would like to say that I am indeed a member of both wikis.

I have spent significant time in both wikis, and have the post count to prove it.

So, I know it when I say I want what the community wants and that is to do as the majority wishes.

See Sarah, I am not at all predisposed against you.

I just want to clarify some key points with you.

First off, I cannot see why I can't be active on both community boards, as we were there at the start, and saying these words already earmarks me for my termination on this wiki, but I'm willing to risk it on the chance that may voice be the spark of something revolutionary.

So... *takes breath* now that I began, I must finish.

You (Sarah) seem to think that you have this situation handled, but the vibe I get off is that you don't know whats going on , but what you do know is that you must take charge of the situation before it gets out of hand.

I do indeed sympathize with you as I don't want to be in your position, but I end my sympathy when you use your position of power to override what the good community wants.

Like when your staff decided to force the Monaco skin down our throats without our consent. Isn't the wiki for the community, not some Elite who treats us as if we don't know what's for our own good?

Also, I don't think you realize the magnitude of defying the community. While I can't say it's ok for the ones who intend to defy your 2 weeks rule, I'm not about to stop them. You have wronged us first, and an eye for an eye seems appropriate.

Sure, you can ban us, but do you truly think that will be the end of it? I can certainly think of some die-hard wiki members getting around the institution that is your wiki...

You still can make things right, but you don't seem to overturn your decision for the skin, so you left us with little choice. If it is due to pride, don't let it be;theres no shame in doing what the community wants, and we shall embrace you If you won't let the community have what it wants, then leaving seems to be the only option...

While I have no proof, I find it coincidental that I find you in our efforts to move at every turn at every corner... I don't see that as allowing us to simply pick up and walk away.

Why can't we collaborate and you wish us off well and we'll have our tearful goodbyes instead of this vengeful diaspora?

Yet...

What I DO know is that you don't know what you are losing. The people that are moving are the serious editors that pour their souls and believe in what they are doing will change the world.

Trying to bring us down,sabotaging our efforts, and banning the ones who want to work both wikis due to the goodness of their hearts...

I cannot stand for that!

The nature of wiki is the free collaboration of like-minded people with a passion for informing the public and doing good for the community is what makes wiki great.

And you are trying to take that away from us!

This isn't your wiki, this isn't our wiki, it's the community's wiki and I wish we could've still been one, but now I must side with Chole, the founder on the new Wiki. She seems to hold what the community wishes and she has my support. And the community has spoken, we will not stand for your tyranny no longer, so let us leave with peace!

Doing anything less than that is definitely NOT what Jimmy Wales had in mind when he fulfilled his dream that is Wikipedia.

After all this... I must say that I am with you, anon, for both wikis.

♥★♦ 03:37, January 9, 2011 (UTC)